Joe, that's exactly the shot I am talking about. When he would get to his forehand around the five pole and the other backman was playing up, he was lethal with that shot. Sometimes I would get angry with him because he put so much on it and threw it so close to the side wall that it hit the wood or the player's cage. But most of the time, it was a beautiful kill shot, probably his best on the right side, as his carom and low blasts left something to be desired.