All I can tell you Chris is that when his ball hit the front wall, it made more noise than anybody elses and that is a fact I can back up with tapes of those days. Now, maybe it was going at the same speed but there is no question in my mind that it hit with more power. I used to watch front courters (Jabi & Rekalde for example), try and handle one of Elizegi's throws after it came off that wall and lots of times, they couldn't. Now, that's power.