The reason I say Elizegi had the fastest throw....and I continue to maintain that....was because of the only judgement resource I had at the time and that was sound. Since I couldn't BE there, and trying to judge speed with a constantly shifting camera angle ain't gonna do you much good I had to rely on sound to tell me what was what in that department. If you watch and listen to any tape of Elizegi playing in his heyday...and if you don't have one, I'll send you one...when a ball he threw hit the frontis, it made at least 10db (maybe 8, but it was sureashell noticeable), more whack than Irastorza or Wayne or any other back or front courter. One of the first times I ever saw him play, it immediately jumped up for me that the guy was throwing HARD!! The sound don't lie folks and you are talking to a guy here who worked in recording studios and knows audio.....heh...somewhat.